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Sunday, 14 April 2013

TV Series Discussion: House of Cards season one (chapters 1-13)

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A short synopsis and the cast list (from Wikipedia) so everybody knows what exactly we are talking about:

House of Cards is an American political drama series developed and produced by Beau Willimon. It is an adaptation of a previous BBC miniseries of the same name which is based on the novel by Michael Dobbs. The entire first season premiered on February 1, 2013, on the streaming service Netflix.

Main cast:


Kevin Spacey as U.S. Representative Francis "Frank" J. Underwood, a graduate of the fictional school "The Sentinel" (which is made to strongly resemble the real life school The Citadel, a military college) and Harvard Law School, a Democrat from South Carolina's 5th congressional district and the House Majority Whip. He often breaks the fourth wall to speak directly to the viewer. His name is derived from The Right Honourable Francis Urquhart MP, the protagonist of the BBC version and the novel version of House of Cards.

Robin Wright as Claire Underwood, Francis' wife. She runs the Clean Water Initiative, a non-profit that often gets mixed up in Frank's political scheming.

Kate Mara as Zoe Barnes, a reporter for The Washington Herald (later Slugline). Desperate for a break, she makes a deal with Frank for insider information.

Corey Stoll as U.S. Representative Peter Russo, a Democrat from Pennsylvania's 1st congressional district. Russo becomes loyal to Underwood after Underwood threatens to expose his alcohol and drug addiction.

Michael Kelly as Doug Stamper, Underwood's Chief of Staff, abettor and confidant.

Ana: Rameau, you introduced me to this series - where and when did you hear about it? What made you watch it?


Rameau: Rachel Maddow show. It was some time last year when I was watching the show for the 2012 election shenanigans and the commentary, when she mentioned Kevin Spacey’s remake of the 1990 British miniseries House of Cards coming out in early 2013. A curious being that I am, I researched the subject, found the books, and the original miniseries. Then I waited until the remake had come out and I waited a bit longer.


Ana: I see, so it wasn’t completely a spur-of-the-moment decision, like: ‘hey, there’s a new series about high -profile Washington politicians, let’s watch it!’ Because I have to admit I would never started the series if not for two things: Kevin Spacey and your recommendation. Now I think I definitely owe Rachel Maddow as well.
Who was your favourite character (and why Frank Underwood ;p) ?


Rameau: No, it wasn’t a spur-of-the-moment decision but the decision to watch the original, four part miniseries was. And you know me so well. I think I loved Frank Underwood because of how Kevin Spacey portrayed him. I loved his relationship with his wife—although I have my gripes too—and I loved the history they created for him. The character and the show reminded me of American Beauty in many ways and I can’t say that didn’t help to endear me to the character.

He is a kind of anti-hero though - a man who manipulates as he breathes and also somebody who perhaps never knew the meaning of the word ‘altruism’.

I’d go further than that. I’d say he’s closer to a villain than an anti-hero. He’s unapologetic and he gets what he wants and he wants power.

Still he can be your best bosom buddy - if it fits his goals at the moment.

Which would be villainous behaviour straight out of a Machiavellian handbook for politicians ;)

I was surprised how close and distant at the same time Frank was to Claire. On the one hand - sheesh, they say each other such things as the names of their extramarital interests, that was impressive. Nobody makes a row, nobody throws a fit of jealousy. On the other hand...when Claire needs Frank the most he just balks at helping her because it is not supporting his main objective. What do you think?

That’s the part I didn’t like of this incarnation of the show. In the BBC version it felt like Francis Urquhart’s wife was the brains behind the operation and he her hands, the puppet whose strings she pulled. Of course the length of that show didn’t allow them to develop her character fully and this could just be wishful thinking on my part, but I really wanted to see Claire being the kind of wife who truly is the master of the operation.

A Lady Macbeth, right?

Right. Instead they chose to develop her character in a different direction that takes her away from Frank and sets their desires and goals in a clashing course. In my version the non-profit would have been nothing more than a hobby for Claire and a convenient way to make connections outside the Congress.

How about you? What would you have changed about the show?

I would change Zoe Barnes. It really pissed me off that the one and only thinking female character (and I am speaking about the main cast here) was made into a journalistic prostitute. I did hope that her relationship with Frank would stay as it began. As it was, it seems a woman can make a career only if she has a man to support her (speaking in the most general terms).

I agree. It did stay the way it began in the BBC series but in that, Mattie Storin’s fate was quite different.

Then that boyfriend of hers was added and it made me even more confused - the series sometimes tended too much towards emotionally challenged YA drama.

It made me think they wanted to keep Kate Mara on the show but didn’t know what to do with her character. Probably because of what happened to Mattie.

What do you think of the little romance of Doug and that second prostitute, the one who doomed Russo? I did hope for something more here and got...nothing.

I hope they take it slow. I want to see it evolve, especially since she’s going to figure out what happened to Russo, but at the same time I’m afraid where they’ll take it next.

Do you think Frank will really become that vice-president or will his prize slip through his fingers again?

I hope he does. In the BBC series Urguhart did become the Prime Minister and I can’t really see what good it would do for Spacey and friends to repeat season one with having Frank start from scratch again. No. Underwood needs to rise and he needs to rise to the top before he falls.

If he falls.

I quite agree - failing again would bring a sense of anticlimax and it might be boring. Oh...we haven’t even touched the dialogue Frank leads with the viewer - a very personal dialogue. How did you feel about it?

I’m not a fan, but I understand why it’s done. He’s a villain and he needs to explain himself to the viewer because he never ever gets to explain all his motivations to anyone else. Which, wouldn’t be a problem had the writers handled his relationship with Claire differently.

If it showed anything clearly, it was the fact that Frank didn’t trust completely even his beloved prize wife. If you play Machiavelli, you are playing a game of solitaire.

True enough. I would have still preferred a power duo. Do you know what I find disappointing? The inescapable downfall after Claire finds out what really happened to Peter Russo.

You mean you are sure she will leave Frank if/when she finds out the truth? I don’t know. Perhaps. Still she seems to be such a cold-blooded, selfish woman. He might hold her on a very short leash.

No. Not leave him, but become utterly disillusioned, again, and start actively working against him. The more I think of this the more I think it goes against her characterisation. They’re going to try to turn her into a goody two-shoes.

Claire is definitely too weak to confront Frank and win. Another series without a single strong woman.

So are you in for the second season?

Right now I would say yes, I am. But give me a year and ask again. How about you?

It is a cautious yes as well. I like Kevin Spacey enough to give him a chance to say something more about those ugly politicians I love to hate. Perhaps it will pay off.

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Sunday, 1 April 2012

The Wonderful World of Happily Ever After


April Fool's Day deserves a special treat so here you go - I am pround and happy to host today Blodeuedd and present our discussion about HEA in literature and in real life. Enjoy!




Blodeuedd reviews books (everything from HR, PNR to fantasy and historical fiction) on Book Girl of Mur-y-Castell. She is a sucker for a happy ending and has a weak spot for Jane Austen variations. Even if fantasy is her one true love, and the one love where the happy ending can be thrown out of the window (but don’t tell anyone ;)



Anachronist (yes, that's me) is just helping Blodeuedd in a capacity of a poltergeist while she is not busy writing her own blog (Books As Portable Pieces of Thoughts,  I know, the name is far too long but somehow it seemed a good idea back then). She is a cynic when it comes to romantic endings but, after all,some balance must be kept or the Sun will fall from the sky ;)
Weclome to the Wonderful World of Happily Ever After 
by Blodeuedd and Anachronist




B: Now where to start? I love HEAs, how can you not love them. The prince gets the poor servant girl and the list continues …
A: Courtesan would be better than the servant girl you know...far more outlandish so to speak.
B: I actually took that away cos I fear my own ….
A: Prejudice?
B. Yeah, prejudice, came into play. Come on! A duke should never marry a courtesan! Oh I am a horrrible HEA lover.
A: HEA shouldn’t be limited, you know, and there are plenty of books about whores getting a nice HEA, male or female, no matter.

B. Now who is teaching who here? I knew that there is as big HEA lover inside you.
A: Not at all, just making a pertinent remark. You can edit that later ;) *snickering*
B. Edit, nah, this stays as it is, it’s perfect.
A: I hate HEAs all the same and nah, it is not perfect without at least two edits ;p

B: Back to the courtesan, I do love when the whore lives happily ever after, but that little voice inside of me tells that he can never take his whore to town cos the TON would laugh their asses off.
A: Ton or not people tend to be sensible - if you marry a whore you get no connections, usually no money and no political clout so why bother? You just keep paying her or him and get what you want anyway ;)

B. No, no! That is horrible. He should marry his whore, he should not care about what others thing if he truly is in love. He should live in a little cottage with her and cast his title aside
Edward VIII and Mrs. Simpson - yes, he abdicated and they married but do they look happy? Do they, really?
A: LOLOLOLOLOL dear me, you know there was just one king who actually more or less followed your instructions, my lady. He was called Edward, he married Mrs Simpson, an American divorcee, and the rest is the silence. Nobody else dared be as stupid as him. Still they didn’t live in a cottage.


B: Then I blame the Swedes, I learnt of the history of King Erik and Karin Månsdotter in school. The King married a soldier’s daughter...of course that ended badly too. They were put in prison by his brothers and then he was poisoned and she spent the rest of her life in Finland. Still he married for love *coughs lust  it was surely lust but who cares*




King Erik XIV and Karin Månsdotter (and someone who is not happy at all)
A: Stupid man...if it was lust then he shouldn’t have married her at all. And in real life, as you proved it yourself, there is no HEA. Not really.

B. True, it always ends badly. Now I am sad, where are the HEAs?!

B: Oh you are wicked ;) But bad books, oh no, you mean awesome books! A book should have a HEA. Everything should end with kisses and roses and no one should care about the ton or anything else. I love them, and I will always love them. But in real life, yeah, no HEAs, I did not go for the guy with the fancy car who would take me away. I went where my heart told me to go...still that is a HEA.

A: I think you hit the nail on its head. A good HEA - yes, such a thing exist - should be close to reality, so no princes, no roses but it doesn’t exclude happiness either. Just a different form of happiness I suppose.

B. But I love princes! Still you are right, I would love other sorts of romances, books where the Maid finds love with the valet and raises 6 kids in a cottage. It does not always have to be dukes and princes.


A: Ah, you love also these little cottages, don’t you? I suppose a big fat castle would be fine as well but...not for a maid. In other words, unless a maid transforms itself into a princess she is 100% better off with that valet in a simple hut. The transformation process - here lies the main difficulty. Some authors tend to forget that it takes a lot of pain and effort, it is a hell of give-and-take so you must lose something in order to gain something else and you are never sure if that ‘something else’ will be actually better.

B. *interrupts and forgets what that her point was*.

A: I just wanted to say that I am becoming a bit too verbose so back right to you :)

B: I think we have a lovely post right here. But I will say, we do love HEAs and no suffering and all that, because we want the fantasy. We do not want to know about the struggle cos we all struggle in real life. So for once it is nice to sink down and read a book where everything works out and no one is worried about money, or if they can take home their whore for dinner ;)

A: That’s rather an acute remark you know. We do want the impossible even if we are aware it is just a pie in the sky...




A: This guy is a bit overweight...I bet he doesn’t wash his teeth...and you know him how long exactly? You...don’t know him at all? Yeah...the best of luck, my princess! Mwuahahahahahaha!